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12/18/2009

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Jess The Dog

I'd like to see a national map of every CCTV camera and arcs of vision.

This can be done.

FOI every local authority asking the easting and northing of every camera, in spreadsheet form. They will have this data!

Stick a buffer around each camera (say 200m). This might overlap with private property in many cases.

Display it on mapping at national/regional/local level.

I can do the mapping easily, free of charge.

Tom Reeve

Congratulations on using the power of the FOI Act to compile these numbers - it must have been a huge undertaking, but to what point? All you have demonstrated is that CCTV is growing in numbers, which we all knew anyway.

I fundamentally disagree with the points that you go on to make, especially regarding the expensiveness and ineffectiveness of CCTV. You make sweeping claims about CCTV but it's unclear to me whether you are referring to publicly or privately owned systems when you make statements like most CCTV is not monitored and CCTV images aren't good enough to be used in court.

You also make claims about the amount we spend on CCTV with very little evidence to back it up. Compared to the amount we spend on the police (£10bn a year), the amount spent on CCTV is minute. And the return on investment is significant.

I think you are playing fast and loose with the numbers and drawing dubious conclusions from a research project that was, really, very limited in its scope and depth.

You can find out more about my views on your report by reading my blog post at http://cctvimage.blogspot.com/ or http://www.cctvimage.com.

I Spy

Very interesting site, glad you are making others aware of the situation in the UK. Some news from Fife with regards to CCTV usage which might be of use for future articles:

Portable CCTV: http://www.fifefire.gov.uk/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.display&objectid=32B7430F-A57E-7A65-7D8C86C296DBB20F&ContactId=5D1F6802-1798-4A3F-949BFD1BF622F41C

Fife CCTV: http://www.heraldscotland.com/800-criminals-captured-by-fife-cctv-in-a-record-year-1.898624

The CCTV system in Fife is the largest single-fibre network in Europe, what makes this worse is the fact that Fife is made up of many small towns so the amount of cameras per person is in excessive portions. The cameras were being used as a showcase to the American police forces when they were first launched with many American delegates visiting the Glenrothes CCTV control room, however due to the size of the towns they are monitoring, there is little crime compared to City Centres such as Glasgow, so the cameras are mainly being used to target traffic offenders using Number Plate recognition software etc. The biggest scandal about the cameras is that recently a person in the Lochgelly area was stabbed to death several feet from one of the CCTV cameras and it was later discovered that the CCTV camera captured nothing other than 8 traffic offenders (driving without insurance, no MOT discs, etc.) which resulted in £250 generated from fines.

Eric Twinge

As someone who responded to an FOI request for this study, and despite being strongly in favour of open government, I am very disappointed to see that there has been no effort to discern where the cameras concerned are (100% of them in our case) used to protect council buildings in the same way that homeowners use CCTV. This is clearly not the use that this study is focusing on in its laudable attempt to expose waste in public spending. Since our buildings are more than 200 metres away from others, this does not even threaten the liberty of passers-by.

I agree with Tom Reeve in that this has been a PR campaign, rather than a serious discussion point. It is galling for someone who works hard to ensure these requests are answered as fully as possible (in the interests of fairness & openness), to see the results so mis-represented.

Alex Deane

An interesting extended analysis of our report and the issues it raises:

http://mambotangoneversettle.blogspot.com/2010/01/one-nation-under-tv_22.html#links

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