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‘Web Cop’ to patrol internet for anti-police comments

Metro 'web officer' clipped Big Brother Watch completely missed this story when it appeared in the press last Friday (not altogether surprising given that it was given only minimal coverage in the Metro – see right – and Star), but apparently West Midlands Police are about to employ a full-time 'web cop'.

As explained by the Daily Star:

The officer will search for criticism of the police and use Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and Bebo to promote the force.

Assistant Chief Constable Gordon Scobbie told Police Review yesterday: “There will be someone on the web chatting about West Midlands Police right now, about whether they have had bad service or if they have heard a rumour about guns and gangs.”

He added: “A lot of chatter is ill-informed. We need to be much smarter about identifying these conversations so we can join in and influence what people think.”

How can this possibly be a good use of a policeman's time? The force will no doubt defend it by saying the 'web cop' will also look out for criminal activity online; but there are already more specific web-officers (e.g. in CEOP and the Fraud Squad) doing this on a case-by-case basis.

Two further points need to be made. Firstly, there are innumerable cases of officials from government or private companies trying to influence online behaviour and failing miserably. People invariably use the internet to air their greviances and will not appreciate having the official line repeated back to them.

Secondly, Big Brother Watch is concerned that this role is designed to prevent criticism of the police from taking place online. Those with understandable greviances should be free to air them in a democratic forum without fear of reprisal. We would appreciate the West Midlands police giving assurances that there will be no black-list created as a result of the web cop's work.

By Dylan Sharpe

Many thanks to Rodney for the tip on this story – much appreciated

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35 Responses to ‘Web Cop’ to patrol internet for anti-police comments

  1. tony

    surely if i make a criticism of the police and then find i have been ‘found out’ by a web cop – then doesn’t that reinforce my disaffection with the police?
    the execution of my right to free speech (and annoyance at being spied on by CCTV and number plate recognition camera) has been spied on
    double whammy

  2. Doug

    This is standard practice for huge numbers of organisations around the world, and pretty much all of them follow good practice as designed by the USAF:
    http://www.globalnerdy.com/2008/12/30/the-air-forces-rules-of-engagement-for-blogging/
    Their point is a good one – enormous amounts of comments online are bullshit, and the bullshit can be very harmful to everyone.
    I distrust the police as much as the next man, but as a public organisation I think it is appropriate that they try to communicate with the public where the public is communicating.
    Of course if they do do inappropriate things they should be held to account, but in and of itself this is no more inappropriate than them responding the letters in the local press.

  3. Richard

    If the Web Cop from West Midlands Police is reading this, they should know that if they want to improve the image of the police in the UK, they should stop arguing with people on the Internet about their opinions and instead focus on persuading their organisation to return to a minimalist policing-by-consent approach.
    If they want to find out why nobody trusts the police any more they need only look as far as current police tactics and behaviour: surveillance-powered fishing expeditions (ANPR); indiscriminate abuse of Section 44 stop-and-search powers; abuse of photographers in public places; invention of laws that don’t exist; collection of DNA samples from everyone they come into contact with; shooting dead of innocent people; beating up or illegally detaining protesters; compiling intrusive databases of anyone who shows dissent and referring to them as Domestic Terrorists…
    Here’s a message for any police officers out there to take back to their superiors: get out of our faces and let us get on with our lives.

  4. NeverSurrender

    Well said Richard!

  5. Mark Payne

    I am the Chief Inspector who is thinking about implementing this post. I have blogged about why I think it is a good idea at http://bit.ly/8YTIJ1.
    Have a look at what we have to say.

  6. Mark Payne

    Re above, put the wrong link on. My thoughts are actually here! http://bit.ly/7CRy1L

  7. FTAC Watch

    I had the police sniffing around my personal website every day, same pattern, for days on end. So I put a redirect off to a goatse for their normal IP’s. After that they started using their blackburry’s and iPhones.
    Later I directed them to my blog and they were all over that as well.

  8. LeChiffre

    @Richard: quite right. At least they can’t charge us with sedition or criminal libel any more.
    @Mark Payne: your idea sounds [present tense] reasonable but we all know that there will be mission creep and you’ll be trying to stifle free speech. The fact is that the police are simply not trusted by the public.

  9. Mark Payne

    LeChiffre: Interesting comments. there is absolutely no intention of mission creep. We are simply trying to talk to people. The whole point of social media is to promote free speech, and there will be no attempt to prevent it.
    I recognise there is a problem with public trust in some areas, but on the other hand, here we are trying to engage and talk to people to build trust, and we are still taking flak!

  10. LeChiffre

    @Mark Payne
    Mission creep happens, intended or not.
    On public trust “in some areas”: do you mean in some respects or in some locations?
    In respect of reporting crime, I don’t because I don’t wish to get caught up in the whole police vortex thing and in this respect I know from friends and colleagues that I am not alone. There are at least three things which the police do to forfeit public confidence and cooperation: stop-and-search; DNA collection and retention; cagoule-wearing and covering up shoulder ID.
    Trying to engage and talk with people alone will not build trust and will continue to attract flak because the police are not trusted by the public. An improvement in police behaviour and conduct, light-touch policing and generally a restoration of Peelian principles at the heart of policing is the only way to build trust.
    As for location: the Met are loathed throughout the geographical area they police. They generally look and behave like thugs. I feel sorry for the West Midlands force if policing in the West Midlands is a more gentlemanly pursuit than in London: unfortunately you are all tainted by the disgrace which is the Met and the SPG/TSG/CO20 (the re-branding does not help).

  11. Joe Public

    Mr. Payne,
    There are vulnerable people being killed and committing suicide every day of the week because they can’t get the protection they need from the police. Do you not think the public’s time would be better served if you turned off your PC (excuse pun) and got out there on the street to nick the scumbags for a change? It seems more and more like you’re only interested in harassing innocent people who don’t answer back.

  12. AnthonyS

    @Mark Payne
    Quote:
    “I recognise there is a problem with public trust in some areas, but on the other hand, here we are trying to engage and talk to people to build trust, and we are still taking flak!”
    Unfortunately, the Police are now politically driven – hence the lack of trust that you speak of. I’ve seen many a Police forum where the discontent for TPTB that don’t care about you anymore is blatantly obvious. Add in a splash of ‘Common Purpose’ and you have the mess that is today’s Police Force [Farce?].
    You claim you want to build trust. The only way to do that is break from the government’s agenda and stick to common sense/law rather than government-endorsed statutes/policy/ACTions.
    Example 1: MP’s fiddling expenses/stealing from the public… if it was anybody else it would be prison time. Would it not? So why are the Police so scared to take action citing the usual CPS rubbish of ‘insufficient evidence’?
    Example 2: Someone breaks into my house, armed/unarmed… I confront that person using ‘reasonable force’ (please define that btw :LOL:) and what happens? I get arrested for GBH when all I was trying to do was protect my family.
    Believe us (the general public whom *YOU* serve)… you will continue to take flak unless a radical change in your approach to how the world really works comes to fruition.

  13. Mark Payne

    I’ll try and address some of the points above.
    Firstly trust. This independent MORI poll shows that 60% of the public trust the police. http://bit.ly/8nULDK, about the same as newsreaders, and more than actually trust the average man on the street.
    I acknowledge this is not as high as I would like, but when you consider that part of our job involves making people do things they don’t want to, and handing out fines for speeding etc, I think it is OK. The nature of our job means that we are never going to please everybody.
    Re Jo Public’s comments about me getting off my PC and onto the streets; I have run and solved numerous murders, rapes & robberies. I have taken millions of pounds of assets off criminals. I have seized large quantities of drugs and dismantled complex criminal networks. I have taken lots of guns off the streets, and every day I am at work, I am trying to make people safer. At the same time as doing this, I have learnt to work a computer, and I am trying to talk to people, they are not mutually exclusive activities.
    Finally the link between the police and politicians. Like it or not, we live in a democracy. Laws are drawn up by elected policticians, and it is our role to enforce them. This doesn’t always make us popular, but nontheless it is our job.
    We don’t always get it right, as I said at the outset, but I am proud to be a police officer, and I think we do a good job.

  14. LeChiffre

    @Mark Payne re Trust
    The basic statistic to emerge from that MORI poll is the Net Trust rating. “‘Net trust’ is calculated as the proportion that trusts each type of profession/person, minus the proportion that does not trust them.” Net trust is the difference between the proportion who trust the police to tell the truth and those who do not.
    Net trust for the police in 2008 was +38%.
    Net trust for the police in 2009 had fallen to +29%.
    The majority don’t trust the police on these figures which comes as no surprise to me. The figure for the Met and the SPG/TSG/CO20 (which is not given in the poll results) may be a negative percentage.
    This shows an alarming decline. That MORI poll is called, “Trust in Doctors 2009 Annual Survey of Public Trust in Professions
    Research Study Conducted for The Royal College of Physicians September 2009″ and I am wondering why polls commissioned by the police are not being referred to here: would it be because theirs show an even worse rate than +29%?
    Mark Payne has not commented on the Peelian principles which should be at the heart of policing in this country so I assume he considers them to be obsolete.
    The Peelian principles state that:
    1 Every police officer should show a badge number, to assure accountability for his actions;
    2 Whether the police are effective is not measured on the number of arrests, but on the lack of crime; and
    3 Above all else, an effective authority figure knows TRUST and accountability are paramount. Hence, Peel’s most often quoted principle: “The police are the public and the public are the police.”

  15. Mark Payne

    LeChiffre, some further points;
    Firstly doesn’t the fact that we are able to engage in this conversation in the first place vindicate the idea that police officers should be using social media, which was the point of my original article?
    Second, it is a huge leap to assume that because I haven’t commented on Peel’s principals, I consider them to be obsolete. The principles you point out are absolutely at the heart of policing. Where we are shown not to be adhering to them, it is right that we are challenged and put it right.
    Third, I didn’t use a police commissioned survey because if I had, I may well have been accused of using a survey that we had paid for. The whole point of this survey is that it is independent, and about Doctors, therefore very clearly not influenced by us.
    Fourth, if you look at the comments under my original blog, you will see that the vast majority of comments are positive, with some negative (which by the way, I am happy to recognise and publish.) Again, back to my original blog, I understand that public trust is a problem, and stand by the use of social media as a valid means to allow police officers to engage with people.
    Fifth, I work in an area 200 miles away from the Met, and have no idea what their figures look like. You clearly are not happy with them, but I do not have enough personal knowledge to debate it with you.
    I am happy to recognise that people hold a different view from mine. I am happy to listen and accommodate their views. I have not seen very much so far to indicate that you have been receptive to anything that I have said. Nontheless you are entitled to your opinions, I just hope that you are able to recognise that they are not shared by everybody, as I recognise that not everybody will agree with me.

  16. TheTruthAlwaysHurts

    @Mark Payne
    Your long-winded posts don’t hide the fact that you are talking government-rhetoric.
    That IP address you post under does you no favours either. On your wage why not stick a BlackBerry up your backside? You might get more ‘communication’. Please stop the disinfo… you are an embarrassment to the people that pay *YOUR* wages.
    Some advice:
    Keep your responses short and sweet and stop whitewashing the blatantly obvious. The Public are not stupid. … you never know… the Police Farce might actually gain some respect one day.
    Going off your posts… you are clearly not the person to make the Joe Public gain trust in the Police Farce anymore.
    Carry on making a fool of yourself… LMFAO.

  17. Mark Payne

    ‘Truth always hurts’, if my posts are too long for you perhaps you could try reading a bit at a time then coming back later.
    Do you actually have anything constructive to say, as earlier posters have, about the original topic ie police using social media? I could then listen to you and respond. Alternatively you could just rant away rudely to yourself?

  18. AnorakIan

    I hope this includes criticsm of foreign police forces, such as the Portuguese police! Anthony Parsons (Daily Mirror) will be in trouble!

  19. 418

    @Mark Payne in denial
    “I think it [60%] is OK.” In fact the figure is 29%: how do you rate that? If there’s another fall in 2010 as there was in 2009, then the Net Trust in the police figure is going to fall to 22%: very much less than “OK”.
    I am one of the 71% with Net Distrust of the police. What the police say is usually self-serving and not to be trusted. What the police do is what matters.
    We see what the police do and are disgusted: Ian Tomlinson, G20, kettling, DNA harvesting, stop and search, race discrimination, roughing up peaceful protesters etc, etc.
    If you wish to restore trust and confidence you will not succeed through words alone.
    Actions speak louder than words.
    We are waiting. Personally, I am not holding my breath and expect a crescendo of police abuse in the run-up to the 2012 Olympics with the police here aping the Peking/Beijing Police Department.
    A ‘Web Cop’ to patrol internet for anti-police comments is not what we are waiting for.
    Here are some more principles of policing: circulate to your force with orders that they be committed to memory. ~
    1 The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
    2 The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
    3 Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
    4 The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
    5 Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
    6 Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
    7 Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
    8 Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
    9 The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

  20. Mishmash

    On Mark Payne’s patch, bringing the police into further disrepute:
    “Bhnisha Hirani, 28, drove from Essex to Coventry to collect her belongings last October after splitting up with a boyfriend whom she feared.
    She says her request for a local police escort was refused as no officers were available. But two arrived later at the ex-boyfriend’s house and seized her car for being uninsured. She offered her policy number, but says the officer refused to investigate why the car did not show up on the ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) database. Police guidelines warn that ANPR data should not replace “thorough investigative inquiries and officer discretion”.
    Ms Hirani said the officers left her in the dark outside the house. “I was stranded – no money, no food, no coat, nothing.” She stayed with a distant relative who lent her £150 to have the car released the next day.
    In her complaint, she wrote: “I had offered every possible form of confirmation of my insurance at the scene and [the officer] refused to look at it. His actions were unlawful and… I will be seeking the highest level of damages.”
    West Midlands Police are conducting an internal inquiry.”
    Read more at:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-laughing-policemen-inaccurate-data-boosts-arrest-rate-1870416.html

  21. LeChiffre

    “Ask your candidate on May 6th were they stand on Elected Chief Constables, I bet they have not even thought about it.”
    See more at
    http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2010/01/summer-of-rage-wrong-year.html

  22. Mandarin

    If you are approached by the filth, give them your name and address if you feel like it ~ just to show a degree of cooperation. After that, in reply to every question you simply state that, “Apart from saying this, I am asserting my right to remain silent.” It drives them insane. Remember Kate Moss:
    “She was interviewed by police in London on 31 January 2006, with her solicitor present, but reportedly made no admissions, and she was not arrested (photographs of alleged drug-taking are not admissible evidence in English courts). On 16 June 2006, British police finally dropped the charges for lack of evidence.”
    That is from Wikipedia; the article coyly says that Moss “made no admissions”. In fact she said bugger all and the filth had nothing to go on.
    If, once you’ve been taken, you start to spill your guts and sing like a canary and they offer you a caution: don’t accept the caution; make the filth go to court. They only offer you a caution because it suits them, not you, and because they don’t have sufficient evidence to justify a prosecution.
    Oh, and BTW, make sure you always get your money’s worth: I was sent a penalty notice by the filth for allegedly going through a red light. The demand for payment came with the menacing information that the police had photographic evidence in support. I did not know who had been driving my car (used by more than one person on a regular basis) and asked for the photographic evidence, expecting to see the culprit at the wheel. All I got was a picture of my car from the rear, over the white line and a red traffic light. I told the police that I still could not identify the driver and they told me that I would now have to pay a fine for withholding evidence (even though I did not have the evidence they wanted). The police were intractable. In due course I went to see the district judge at the Magistrates’ Court and explained the situation; I was cleared and then I asked for costs against the police which were granted in the sum of ₤840.00. I told counsel for the filth that her client was out of order; she said that her client was “on auto-pilot most of the time.” I got the cheque about a month later: it was some consolation for the police harassment.

  23. Anorak

    “There has never been a tool granted to the police that they haven’t subsequently gone on to abuse. ANPR is just another example. Whether it’s pepper spraying pensioners for parking on yellow lines or spying on innocent people with radio controlled drones; you can depend on our modern British police farce to keep pushing the boundaries of the outrageous.
    Posted by: Bob | 01/19/2010 at 02:12 PM”
    See more at
    http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/01/anpr-cameras-used-to-target-innocent-motorists.html

  24. Sandy

    Good morning Chief Inspector…I have a question and it is off topic, about the British stance with information…Leicestershire Police and why they kept a piece of VITAL information back from the PJ on the Madeleine Mccann case. A piece of information given by another Doctor concerning the behaviour of David Payne.
    The British Police force is rife with corruption and never more so than in the Midlands. The only two things the police seem to care about are charging people for speeding and racism.
    Free speech is long gone and the only day we now have for democracy is the day we are allowed to think for ourselves when voting…after that the lid goes back on the box.
    We now have a father who is guilty of child neglect also (agreed not charged) but none the less a suspect in the disappearance of his daughter….Talking at a conference for sexually abused children…The CEOP…
    A father who claims his daughter was abducted by a paedophile but has come to no harm????
    Maybe as a police officer you can explain this . The whole story is bizarre.
    Jim Gambles ‘Trust me I am a Police Officer’..He and the CEOP are now a joke and have lost all credibility…
    This conference by the way is on the 26th January.

  25. Sandy

    OK Chief Inspector…Why did Leicestershire police hold this back from the investigation and why are the Mccanns so desperate for the British public not to have this knowledge..
    This IS in the public domain and possibly something the Web Cop would like to remove…
    Here is the statement that the Mccanns are desperate to keep from the British public…Question why are they protecting David Payne????
    Processos Vol XIII
    Pages 3911 to 3915
    Judiciary Police
    National Directorate
    TRANSLATION
    Surname: GASPAR
    First Names: KATHERINA ZACHARIAS
    Age: +18
    Date of Birth:
    Address:
    Postal Code:
    Profession:
    Telephone no.:
    Date of Statement: 16/05/2007
    Number of Pages: 8
    I make this statement in relation to the MCCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The MCCANN family is composed of Gerry MCCANN, his wife, Kate MCCANN and their three children, Madeleine, 4 years old, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins, aged two.
    As has been widely covered by the news, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.
    I will begin by explaining that I am married to Savio Gaspar and that we have two daughters, E., who is almost 3 and I. who is now one year old. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. I am a General Practitioner like my husband. I met my husband when we were (page 1) working together in Exeter, about 14 years ago.
    To explain the way in which we met the MCCANN family, I would like to state that my husband knows Kate, as they both attended Dundee University between 1987 and 1992. At that time, Kate’s name was Kate HEALY. I met Kate and Gerry on the occasion of their wedding, around 1998, in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding because as Savio was an old friend of Kate’s, we were both invited to the event.
    As far as I know, Savio did not know Gerry before the abovementioned wedding. From that time onwards, we met as friends about three times a year and we would spent weekends away together. I would say that we became intimate friends of Gerry and Kate.
    I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent a weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We would stay in contact with each other by telephone.
    In 2002/2003 Savio and I were living in Birmingham and the MCCANNS in Leicester.
    In September of 2005, Savio, I and E., who at the time was about 1 and a half years old, went to spend our holidays abroad, in Majorca. We went (page 2) on holiday with Kate, Gerry, and Madeleine, who would have been around 2 and a half years old and with the twins, Sean and Amelie, who were just months old. I remember that I was pregnant with I.
    During those holidays there were also friends of Gerry and Kate with us.
    There was a couple, whose names were Dave and Fiona, and whose surname was PAYNE, I believe. I think that they were married and had one daughter aged about 1, named L. I remember that during those holidays that Fiona was pregnant.
    There was another couple, whose names were Tara and Stuart, but whose surname I cannot remember who were also on holiday with us. They had two boys, aged 1 and 3, whose names I do not remember. I did not know these two families before we went on holidays together. From memory, I think that it was Dave who organised these holidays and we all stayed together in a big house when we were in Majorca.
    We spend a week on holidays, however, the MCCANN family and the PAYNE family stayed for two weeks. I think that Tara and Stuart, and their two children, also stayed for just one week.
    Two or three days had gone by, we were all staying in Majorca where, in general terms, we had fun (Page 3) with our children. Possibly, around the fourth or perhaps the fifth day abroad, I remember an incident that stayed recorded in my head. I say this in this way, because I have thought numerous times about the incident that I am about to describe since that date.
    One night, when we were on holiday, the adults, in other words, the couples that I mentioned were on a patio outside the house where we were staying. We had been eating and drinking.
    I was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like “she”, referring to Madeleine, “would do this”.
    When he mentioned “this”, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.
    I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to see their reactions. I looked around (page 4) to see “did anyone else hear this, or was it just me”. There was a nervous silence noted in the conversations of all the others and immediately afterwards everyone began talking again.
    I never spoke to anyone about this, but I always felt that it was something very strange and that it wasn’t something that should be done or said.
    Apart from this, I remember that Dave did the same thing once again. When I refer to this, I want to mention again that it was during a conversation, in which he was talking about an imaginary situation, though I could not say precisely what it was about. I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, L., though I’m not certain. He slid one of his fingers in and out of his mouth, while the other hand drew a circle around his nipple in a provocative and sexual manner. I believe that he was referring to the way that L., would behave or would do it.
    I believe that he did this later on, during the holidays, but I cannot be sure. The only time, besides this one, that I was with Dave and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I met up with Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona at a restaurant in Leicester.
    I am absolutely certain that he said what he said and that he made the gestures I referred to, but that could have occurred in the restaurant in Leicester, even though (page five) I believe that it was later on, in Majorca. When I heard Dave saying and doing this a second time, I took it more seriously.
    I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different way from me or from the others. I imagined that maybe he had visited Internet sites related to small children. In short, I thought that he might be interested in child pornography on the internet.
    During our holidays, I was more attentive at the bath times after hearing Dave saying that.
    During our holidays in Majorca, it was the fathers who took care of the children baths. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if it was Dave bathing the children. I remember telling Savio to took care to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter E. I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone.
    When I heard Dave say that a second time, it reinforced what I already thought in relation to his thoughts about girls. During our stay in Majorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by their daughter L., took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day, in order to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest and time to be with the twins. When I say this, it is not that I was worried about Madeleine’s safety, since she was also with Fiona and L., and also with Dave, as far as I know.
    As I have already mentioned, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Majorca, and I have not spoken to them since then. In the last two years, we have met, as a family, with the MCCANN, every now and then. This mainly happens on the children’s birthdays, a time when we meet up.
    The first time I heard of the terrible news about Madeleine’s disappearance through the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal but he did not know.
    I watched the TV thoroughly, and seeing the news coverage, I noticed that Dave was there, because I saw him, in the background, on the television images during the first days after Madeleine’s disappearance. Based upon that, I believed that he was on holidays with the MCCANN in Portugal.
    Today, Wednesday, 16th of May of 2007, at 17:40, I gave DC Brewer an A4 page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to refer to these images as (Ref KZG/1) (element of proof) that may (page seven) be presented as means of proof, if necessary. These photographs were taken during the holidays in Majorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white T-shirt and the woman in the photograph corresponds to his wife Fiona. The man who is holding the glass of wine in the photograph is Stuart. These photographs were taken while we were in Majorca.
    Signed:
    Translation [PJ] done by C.R.F.E.
    xxxxxx
    You are asking us to trust the British Police when things like this are going on????

  26. Sandy

    Trust me I am a Police Officer…
    Midlands Police Corruption…
    http://www.innocent.org.uk/misc/wmidlands.html

  27. Mark Payne

    I have no more knowledge about the McCann case than the average person. This is a completely different force area, so I can’t help you I’m afraid.

  28. Sandy

    The average person has plenty of knowledge thanks to the Internet. The book written By Goncalo Amaral..The cadaver findings by the dog..The lies from the group about the events of the night. Refusal to go back for a reconstruction. Refusal to answer police questions.Running away the moment you are made a suspect. The Police Files are there for all to read.Every single witness statement including Social Worker Yvonne Warren Martin and her concerns about David Payne.
    But thats right Mark Payne all stick together. What importance is one small child?

  29. Sandy

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/8263027.stm
    ‘Trust me I am a Policeman’
    We all know what goes on at Leicestershire Police Dept.

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  34. SmokeytheClown

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-11787126
    Sgt. Claims he did nothing wrong, and the judge bought it.
    I’ll go on the record and say this, there is a bigger terrorist threat, and bigger gang we need to worry about it – THE POLICE.
    Where do they get off treating private citizens like this?? If the internal review dont sack him then Im sorry there is something very wrong with our system, and it would need to be reviewed.
    They are nothing more than thugs and bullies, Cameron change it for goodness sake.

  35. Lynn

    is it any surprise that more & more people are anti police when they invade our privacy. I have a marker on my car for being a vulnerable person but that does not give them the right to keep following me, searching, breathalising and often intimidating or arresting me. Whenever I’ve wanted help from the police in the past they have stood by & watched my car or property being vandalised or family attacked. Well now I’ll take a risk & take the law into my own hands & sort it myself when I get burgled or attacked again.
    Go ahead Big Brother swallow that.

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